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What years were they made? Is 06 the last year of the TJ? Rubicon Unlimited's started when? Any thoughts on the best year of the Rubicon package or were they all pretty much the same?
Are there manual 6 speeds any good?
Ronster
10 Aug 06, 06:57 pm
Rubicons started in 2003. This is the last year for the TJ, but not the Rubicon. 2007 is the new body style, but will still offer a Rubicon with all of the trimmings. They are all identical with the exception of year made.
AKMark
10 Aug 06, 07:02 pm
The six speed is about the same as the AX-15 as far as strength goes. It's gearing is a little more stout, I think it's overdrive is a .8 or .85 compared to .75 or so in the AX-15. It does have a nice and low first gear though.
From what I've heard, folks with the 4.0L wish they would've stuck with the NV3550 as it was a stronger tranny, but for the 3.8 V6 going into the 07's, it will probably work better.
IMO the NV3550 shifted better and seemed less noisy. But that's the comparison I did on a 02 TJ and a 05 LJ (unlimited Rubicon)
The six speed is about the same as the AX-15 as far as strength goes. It's gearing is a little more stout, I think it's overdrive is a .8 or .85 compared to .75 or so in the AX-15. It does have a nice and low first gear though.
From what I've heard, folks with the 4.0L wish they would've stuck with the NV3550 as it was a stronger tranny, but for the 3.8 V6 going into the 07's, it will probably work better.
IMO the NV3550 shifted better and seemed less noisy. But that's the comparison I did on a 02 TJ and a 05 LJ (unlimited Rubicon)
When did they stop using the NV3550?
SHoppe715
10 Aug 06, 09:46 pm
I haven't found much info online about the 6speeds (NSG 360) other than they're closely related to the one they put in Crossfires. It's noisy because of the extra shaft end-play they designed into it. Supposedly that allows them to be beaten on, overheated, whatever, and not bind up and wear the internals. I think 1-2 is a jerky shift, but it's still pretty new and a tripple-cone synchro. All said, I really do like it.
AKMark
10 Aug 06, 11:09 pm
05's and up have the new tranny.
Per specs I've seen the NV3550 could handle more torque.
The six speed is nice though.
If I were to buy a Wrangler, I'd go for the Unlimited Rubicon. I like the extra room and wheelbase.
Any Rubicon owners out there have any problems they came across? With a dealer or the Jeep... Anyone have the auto? My right shoulder is in bad shape and my need orthoscopic work down the road. An auto my be the way I need to go...
I've seen "Tomb Raider" packages. Are there any others and were they just a decal option or did they include any nice off road parts?
AKMark
11 Aug 06, 05:25 pm
I'd wait a few more months and try to get a Diesel Wrangler that's supposed to be out soon.
AZRedRockJK
11 Aug 06, 07:00 pm
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Just my opinion, and everybody has theirs....
Rubi's are not all what they're cracked up to be. The only decent part is the T-Case. The axles are hybrids. Not true D44s, but a mixture of D30/D44 and D35/D44. You can't remove the factory locker and toss in an aftermarket one... stock is the only one that will work.
While you get instant lockers and such right away, if you plan on building a TJ up, it's cheaper to build up a Sport for cheaper with far better aftermarket parts. But if you're buying one to keep stock and use as a DD, then it would work well.
The new '07 TKs will still offer the Rubi package, and the Unlimiteds will be 4-doors.
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sevenslats
11 Aug 06, 07:44 pm
Another important part of the rubi is the warranty. Oh wait, never mind. Gene's would probably screw you out of that.
Another important part of the rubi is the warranty. Oh wait, never mind. Gene's would probably screw you out of that.I'm not interested in buying from Gene's... Looking at one in Anchorage and my folks in Oregon are going to see whats avalable in there area. I was planning to go see them in Dec anyway and I do love the road trip.
A warenty is a big plus for me right now. I don't drive to work on a daily basis an would probubly put under 8k a year on it. I'd get the full term out of the warranty that way.
I'm looking into getting one of those 1/2 cab hard tops from GR8TOPS.COM. I'd put it on an unlimited and call it an 06 Scrambler!
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Just my opinion, and everybody has theirs....
Rubi's are not all what they're cracked up to be. The only decent part is the T-Case. The axles are hybrids. Not true D44s, but a mixture of D30/D44 and D35/D44. You can't remove the factory locker and toss in an aftermarket one... stock is the only one that will work.
While you get instant lockers and such right away, if you plan on building a TJ up, it's cheaper to build up a Sport for cheaper with far better aftermarket parts. But if you're buying one to keep stock and use as a DD, then it would work well.
The new '07 TKs will still offer the Rubi package, and the Unlimiteds will be 4-doors.
I wasn't aware of that. How do the Rubicon axles hold up to bigger tires? Where is there weak link?
AKMark
12 Aug 06, 08:18 am
The axles aren't quite as good (supposedly) but I do know someone with 37's on a Rubicon Unlimited and he hasn't had any problems. He wheels it hard, but does take good care of it.
SHoppe715
12 Aug 06, 11:10 am
Any Rubicon owners out there have any problems they came across? With a dealer or the Jeep... Anyone have the auto? My right shoulder is in bad shape and my need orthoscopic work down the road. An auto my be the way I need to go...
My biggest problem has been getting good work out of Gene's. I had them install accessories bought with the Jeep and a little bit of warranty work. The offroad package install was a straight-up fiasco. I also had a bad front right outer axle seal that was leaking FAST. I dropped it off in the morning and when I came back at the end of the day they said "DUUHHH, we couldn't find the leak." I took the service manager out to the parking lot, got down on the ice, pointed to the puddle on the ground, dipped my finger in the gear oil in the steering knuckle and said "You're telling me they couldn't find that?"
And I've got plenty more stories... You'd hope a "trained technician" could put tail lights on correctly; not upside down and backwards. To save a few $$ I actually took it to them once and let them change the oil using the free scheduled service deal...now who could screw up an oil change? How hard is it to wipe the spilled oil out of a skid plate? It must be nearly impossible... I guess they figured a filter's worth of oil puddled on the skidplate wasn't that bad a mess...
My biggest problem has been getting good work out of Gene's. I had them install accessories bought with the Jeep and a little bit of warranty work. The offroad package install was a straight-up fiasco. I also had a bad front right outer axle seal that was leaking FAST. I dropped it off in the morning and when I came back at the end of the day they said "DUUHHH, we couldn't find the leak." I took the service manager out to the parking lot, got down on the ice, pointed to the puddle on the ground, dipped my finger in the gear oil in the steering knuckle and said "You're telling me they couldn't find that?"
And I've got plenty more stories... You'd hope a "trained technician" could put tail lights on correctly; not upside down and backwards. To save a few $$ I actually took it to them once and let them change the oil using the free scheduled service deal...now who could screw up an oil change? How hard is it to wipe the spilled oil out of a skid plate? It must be nearly impossible... I guess they figured a filter's worth of oil puddled on the skidplate wasn't that bad a mess...Thanks for the heads up. I have my eyes on one at Lithia in Anchorage. I'm considering the oil change package but after reading this I probubly will opt out of that.
Darkchild1723
12 Aug 06, 12:39 pm
Rubicon just means you're paying 10k more for something you could do in 5 or less.
Rubicon just means you're paying 10k more for something you could do in 5 or less.Your probubly right but I'm not sure I agree with it being 10K more. More like 5K but I have't really compaired them. At any rate I don't have the time to do the mods and if I did they would void the warenty which I don't want to do.
AKMark
12 Aug 06, 02:12 pm
One of the Jeep dealers in Tucson wouldn't void the warranty as long as you let them install a 4" teraflex for you. Makes the extra few buck to have them do it worth while.
That was a good dealer.
The Rubicon wasn't that much more and you get, hybrid D44's (still better than D30/D35), lockers, 4.11's, SYE, 4:1 low witih a much more HD case, 31" MT/R's, and slightly taller springs. If you did all that to an X or a sport, you'd spend more money than getting the package from Jeep. We looked it up once.
Comparable base price at Lithia in Anchorage for Unlimiteds are currently $24265 and $28735 for the Rubicon version. With the employee pricing and a $500 rebate I can get into a loaded Unlimited Rubicon for $27125...
TJVigilante
12 Aug 06, 05:59 pm
The thing with the Rubicon axles is the front D44 is pretty much a D30 with D44 shafts...very weak axle tubes. The carriers are also incompatible, D44 ring gear but that's it. So, they make axle shafts and lockers for Rubicons only, and different models for regular D44's.
The thing with the Rubicon axles is the front D44 is pretty much a D30 with D44 shafts...very weak axle tubes. The carriers are also incompatible, D44 ring gear but that's it. So, they make axle shafts and lockers for Rubicons only, and different models for regular D44's.They still use an axle disconect and not locking hubs right?
sevenslats
12 Aug 06, 08:11 pm
No disconnect. No hubs. Unitized bearing. front driveshaft spins 100% of the time; via input from the front wheels. Once you shift into 4wd, it spins via input from the transfer case.
Anyone out there know how the Chrysler Warranty looks at wheeling, lift kits and bigger tires? I'm guessing not very well...
AZRedRockJK
14 Aug 06, 07:45 am
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My experience with Gene's and a lifted Jeep... not good. I once swung the old XJ by there to see if they had any idea what a certain noise was. When I got the service manager to walk outside, he saw the XJ across the parking lot and asked, "Is yours the lifted Cherokee?" I said yes. He replied, "That's your problem, it's lifted and has big tires". Without even getting close to it, he was already forming an opinion. A ride down the raod, and he said he still couldn't help me.
Every time we took the TJ there, we noticed the following at the bottom of every service paper... "Vehicle has modified suspension, and oversized tires". And this was just with 2" coil spacers and Rubi wheels and tires! Luckily, all we get are compliments from the jeep dealership here in Cheyenne. No hassles at all.
If you look out of state, let me recommend the dealership in Idaho. Dave Smith Motors. Known nationwide as having the best prices on vehicles. Bob (TnT) told me he got a quote through them, along with a plane ticket price to fly up, and the diesel cost back, and submitted it to our local dealership here for them to beat. They were higher, but matched it. Don't think any AK dealer would though. You were talking about a trip to Oregon... you could swing by there on the the way back up.
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My experience with Gene's and a lifted Jeep... not good. I once swung the old XJ by there to see if they had any idea what a certain noise was. When I got the service manager to walk outside, he saw the XJ across the parking lot and asked, "Is yours the lifted Cherokee?" I said yes. He replied, "That's your problem, it's lifted and has big tires". Without even getting close to it, he was already forming an opinion. A ride down the raod, and he said he still couldn't help me.
Every time we took the TJ there, we noticed the following at the bottom of every service paper... "Vehicle has modified suspension, and oversized tires". And this was just with 2" coil spacers and Rubi wheels and tires! Luckily, all we get are compliments from the jeep dealership here in Cheyenne. No hassles at all.
If you look out of state, let me recommend the dealership in Idaho. Dave Smith Motors. Known nationwide as having the best prices on vehicles. Bob (TnT) told me he got a quote through them, along with a plane ticket price to fly up, and the diesel cost back, and submitted it to our local dealership here for them to beat. They were higher, but matched it. Don't think any AK dealer would though. You were talking about a trip to Oregon... you could swing by there on the the way back up.
.I called Dave Smith... I bought a Dakota from them in 97. They couldn't match the price Lithia in Anchorage is quoting me. Do you know it the Lithia here in Fairbanks will do Jeep warranty work?
sevenslats
14 Aug 06, 08:36 am
Doubtful. They have experienced Chevy/Caddy mechanics. Not Jeep. It's just the same monopoly name, not the same dealership.
Gary, what about when they wrecked your TJ during their "test drive"?
TJVigilante
14 Aug 06, 01:55 pm
they will honor any warranty that their company sells, Lithia should sell the same warranties no matter which dealership....and they have to honor it.
I talked to them this morning. Fairbanks Lithia wont do it... I'd have to deal with Genes or go the Anchorage...
naturalbornmudder
14 Aug 06, 03:49 pm
these car dealerships up here are sub standard.
SHoppe715
14 Aug 06, 06:08 pm
Doubtful. They have experienced Chevy/Caddy mechanics. Not Jeep. It's just the same monopoly name, not the same dealership.
Gary, what about when they wrecked your TJ during their "test drive"?
Please don't imply that Gene's has any experienced Jeep techs. The floor manager really knows his stuff but all the others are halfwitted grease-monkeys that sometimes know which end of the wrench to turn.
AZRedRockJK
14 Aug 06, 08:24 pm
Gary, what about when they wrecked your TJ during their "test drive"?
Ah yes... the swaybar incident. That was pleasant. Idiots! Disco'ed the swaybar at the frame, to pull the steering gear box out OVER the bumper (still can't figure that out) to replace it cause of a leaking seal. Finish the gearbox replacement, but forgot the swaybar is still disconnected at the frame points. Drive the TJ over a speed bump, and Wham! there goes both fenders (swaybar was still connected to the axle).
Give the Jeep back to us on a Friday night, without saying a word about it. Missy hears a popping sound while driving back to base. I slide under on a creeper to take a look, and whoa! both front edges of the fenders are smashed.
Monday am... go back, and see the service manager, and get the "How could that have happened? response. But it took no convincing to get it repaired. They knew.
They wanted Chaz... we pushed for Collision Masters. They didn't like the $1200 bill, but didn't have a choice.
I found out by another Jeep owner, on a different forum, exactly what happened, cause it happened to his TJ too. While he was argueing with the service manager who was saying it was impossible for the swaybar to do the damage, a loud bang happened followed by a tech yelling "Not again!" They walk over, and see the same thing on another TJ.
So, if you take a TJ in for any work done requiring the gear box being removed... make sure they remember to reconnect the swaybar before moving the Jeep. Or better yet, make them drop it out the bottom, which makes more sense.
I'll post up pics of the carnage soon.
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sevenslats
15 Aug 06, 07:40 am
Sorry, it's mean, but I love to hear that story. I can just see Missy's face turning redder.
AZRedRockJK
15 Aug 06, 07:28 pm
Sorry, it's mean, but I love to hear that story. I can just see Missy's face turning redder.
Yeah, it was a good thing we had the weekend to cool down before going back through their doors. Otherwise, it would have been ugly. It was our last time on their property... mainly cause we PCS'ed but probably would have had the same result if we had stayed.
I think I read that they changed ownership since then... any changes? Probably not, since it's the grease monkeys that were the morons.
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naturalbornmudder
15 Aug 06, 08:04 pm
no changes, they are still +++ clowns
Gene's is horrible for service everyone knows it. but they are the only DC dealer in the area. Which sucks. Luckily if something happens with the Cummins engine I can go to a cummins rep up here and still get warranty work done. But I say don't let the service stop you from buying a vehicle. Cause I know someone that owns a vehicle from every place up here and not one says they have had good experience.
SHoppe715
16 Aug 06, 06:38 pm
I was always pleasantly surprised with Auto Service Company. I had a 92 Accord for the last 5 years up here before the Jeep and I also bought a 03 Taco doublecab TRD from them. That one got sold during the divorce. I've got no major complaints with those cats.
Sidenote - guess how much it cost for Chaz to replace the frame on that brand new Taco that still had the dealer plates, a few hundred miles, and hadn't had the first payment made on it after the now EXwife put it into the divider on Mitchell Expy?
Give up? $500. Oh, wait....that's what I paid....Geico forked over another $11,000.
SHoppe715
16 Aug 06, 06:47 pm
I've never heard a completely good story containing the name Gene's. I sure don't have any. Get this... When I went to buy the Jeep, I knew exactly what I wanted. I saw one in the corner of the lot and went in to inquire. I stood there in the showroom for about 5 minutes without anyone acknowledging my presence. I went outside in the -40 January cold, got the ice scraper out of the Honda (which was idling with headlights on and aimed at the door) and went to work reading stickers until I found the exact one I wanted. I went back inside covered with frost, ice scraper in-hand, and got no attention for another 10 minutes. The first lady to say word 1 to me was Debbie the internet sales manager. She was just passing through on unrelated business and asked if I needed help. Guess who got the commisson on my sale. She even apologized for not being dressed formally enough to be working the floor as she borrowed another salesperson's desk.
Rubicon Locker by-pass mod...
From what I understand from the factory the lockers can only be engaged in low range and below 10 mph. I was wondering if that ment that they automaticly disengauge above 10 mph. If I do the switch mod to use them in hi-range I'd like to have them above 10 MPH. I love the detroit in the scrambler in teh winter and would like to use the Rubi the same way around town.
michaeljr5
17 Aug 06, 02:56 pm
Highboy knows all about doing the Rubi locker bypass. His lockers work at any speed.
Just found this thread... Anyone else do this?
http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346
Any of you Rubicon owners wheeld them hard? Just wondering how well the lockers perform. Are they true locker? Turm tehm on and hear a wheel chirp arond corners?
TJVigilante
17 Aug 06, 06:12 pm
They're true lockers, the one in the rear is a limited slip when unlocked.
michaeljr5
17 Aug 06, 07:50 pm
Yellow? Huh? Unlimited or Standard? You are getting the Offroad Package, right? Manual or Auto?
Solar Yellow Unlimited Rubicon with an auto...
michaeljr5
17 Aug 06, 07:59 pm
Solar Yellow Unlimited Rubicon with an auto...
Very cool! :rockon:
SHoppe715
17 Aug 06, 08:45 pm
Just found this thread... Anyone else do this?
http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346
I did it. Love it. The lockers will not disengage until some really hi speed like 35 or 45. I've never tried it. They just won't engage above 10mph. The links on that thread showed a few different leads to jump to get different behavior. I went with the simplest. 1-4 I think. I'd have to go back and look. Mine engage in HI or LO but not above 10mph. I used a toggle switch from Ace hardware that had 2 wires attached and got a rubber switch cover. I tinned the ends of the wires, smashed them flat, and just slid them in behind the leads on the locker switch. I can remove the mod any time. Mine's a manual so there was an empty switch slot right next to the AXLE LOCK switch where the autos have an OD OFF switch (I think). That's where I put the toggle. I set it to push down to engage the bypass because you push the main locker switch down too.
I'll show you when you come for that test drive.
AKMark
17 Aug 06, 09:03 pm
Just found this thread... Anyone else do this?
http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346
My best friend did this. Works great. He had the six-speed and comparing the two, the six speed is setup so that you could easily run 35's without regearing. It's got a super slow crawl and was decent for everyday driving.
The auto I drove didn't seem to want to stay slow enough for my tastes, I had to ride the brakes hard to keep it slowed down in low. The auto also seemed to be perfect as far as gearing goes for the 31's that were on it from the factory. I wouldn't put 35's on it without regearing and you've heard about the regearing issues with these.
After driving both on the test ground Steve Christy Chrysler Jeep had, I wouldn't waste my time with the auto, plus with the dependability of Chrysler auto's, it won't last long if you use it. The 6-speed is made out of house and should hold up fine to aggressive off roading.
I know of a guy who's running 37's on his Rubicon Unlimited with stock gears in the axles and the six speed. He says yes he lost acceleration, but he can still hold 80 mph without flooring it in sixth gear. The 6-speeds are overgeared for the 31's as I mentioned earlier.
My favorite LJ on 37" Irok's with a 6" long arm and 1" body lift.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/ROBRI501/jeep062.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/ROBRI501/RTI%20Ramp/IMG_0569.jpg
If I were to get one, it would eventually have to look like that.
you've heard about the regearing issues with these.Enlighten me???
SHoppe715
18 Aug 06, 07:37 am
...you've heard about the regearing issues with these.
You can regear an auto???? I thought you were limited to changing t-case and axle gears with an auto.
TJVigilante
18 Aug 06, 08:11 am
I think he meant axle gearing.....manuals can handle 35's on the stock 4.10's, but the auto needs something deeper. And, the gears for the Rubi axles are different from the gears from regular D44's I guess.
AKMark
18 Aug 06, 09:13 am
The axles in the Rubicon are Hybrids. Front is part D30 and part D44. Getting gears for these can be an issue. Same issues with the rear.
That's why a 6-speed is nice, you can run the bigger tires thanks to the gears already installed.
The axles in the Rubicon are Hybrids. Front is part D30 and part D44. Getting gears for these can be an issue. Same issues with the rear.
That's why a 6-speed is nice, you can run the bigger tires thanks to the gears already installed.
I've been told the Rubicon 44s are true 44's other then the axle tubes them selves. They do shair the same outers as the Wrangler dana 30 but Jeep up graded that to 44 style a few years ago. Not sure if thats all correct or not... Just what I read on line...
Makes sence about the 6 speed. It's 1st gear is alot deeper. I'm stuck with an auto with my right shoulder problems. Hurts to pick up a cup of coffee some days... What gears are avalable for the Rubi axles anyway? I might want to go to 33" down the road...
AKMark
18 Aug 06, 09:31 am
You'd be okay on 33's with the stock gears, but any bigger will be an issue.
The front D44 uses smaller tubes, knuckles, and I think that's the big part. The issue is the locker, it's a special item that doesn't take kindly to changes of any sort.
I've only read about the problems some folks have had wtih the regears on these.
Just get that shoulder fixed. Wouldn't want you spilling your coffee in the morning.
From what I've read on line most people with auto Rubicon's and 33" tires go with 4:88 gears to get back to a stock feel and 5:13 for offroad. Any of you running larger tires then stock with an auto? I'd like to see how it feels with the stock 4:10 gears.
It'll be awhile before I want to go to bigger tires though. Probubly a BB or OME lift and run it stock for awhile...
sevenslats
18 Aug 06, 04:56 pm
:eek: 5.13s with 33s?
You'd never need low range on any trail we run!
Seriously, I couldn't see anything under 4.56s for 33s and a 4:1 tcase.
I ran 4.10s with 33s and a 2.62 tcase just fine last year.
Plus, you're getting an auto. You'll be fine with 4.10s all the way to 36s
:eek: 5.13s with 33s?
You'd never need low range on any trail we run!
Seriously, I couldn't see anything under 4.56s for 33s and a 4:1 tcase.
I ran 4.10s with 33s and a 2.62 tcase just fine last year.
Plus, you're getting an auto. You'll be fine with 4.10s all the way to 36sThats with the Automatics. They don't have the low 1st that the 6 speed does and bog down in 1st with 33" and 4:11 somewhat from what I understand...
sevenslats
18 Aug 06, 05:25 pm
Naw. In my experience, an auto doesn't need to regear as urgently as a manual tranny. something to do with the torque converter.
It comes with 4:11 and 31" from the factory. I can see where a jump to 33" tires would mean 4:56 or maybe 4:88. The guys on Rubiconownersforum.com seem to all think 33" tires are best suted to 4:88 to maintain stock feeling power. 5:13 for the extra grunt off road with the auto.
This is only what I was reading on line so take it with a grain of salt. I'll see for my self when the time comes but that will be awhile from now...
sevenslats
18 Aug 06, 05:39 pm
Well, mine came from the factory with 3.54s and 30s. I went to 31s, and noticed no loss in power. I ewent to 4.10s, and noticed that I could leave the line in 2nd gear. I went to 33s, and was back near stock feel again. This is with a 4.0 and an AX-15.
Like I said, I would not think twice about running 4.10s and 33s with an auto.
Or, I would not be afraid to run 33s and 4.10s with a manual and a 4:1 tcase.
I agree with you. I'll definatly try 33" with the 4:11 gears and see what I think first. 4:88 seems a little deep and 5:13 must be creepy crawly...
AKMark
19 Aug 06, 04:09 am
For heavy rock, those are the gears you would need. If you are going to stop at 33's, you'll be fine with the auto.
Slats, if Chrysler would put a decent auto in the Wrangler's going bigger wouldn't be a problem, but when you do now, it causes the torque converter to really heat up and overheat the tranny. Most don't realize it until it's too late.
Another question.... For you guys that bought from Gene's... Did they do anything extra for out cold weather? Other then the standard block heater from the factory? I'm wondering about a tranny heater for my auto. If I added one would it viod my warrenty?
TJVigilante
19 Aug 06, 10:58 am
Block heater, oil pan heater, and battery blanket are all I have on my Jeep, may have been done after the first owners bought it, but my dodge has the same thing from the showroom.
AKMark
19 Aug 06, 11:29 am
A tranny heater shouldn't void the warranty. It just gets the fluid to positive temps, not to operating temp.
SHoppe715
21 Aug 06, 04:00 pm
Gene's also did an oilpan heater, battery blanket, and coolant to 60/40.
Gene's also did an oilpan heater, battery blanket, and coolant to 60/40.
I just spoke with them on the phone. They said something about moving a temp sencor under the engine. Any evidence of that you can find? They said it was to keep the engine light from coming on in cold weather. I'm going to do the coolent change, oil change and trany and oil pan heater when I get home. Not sure is a battery blanket is a good idea though. I've heard that can hurt a battery... Is it they type that wraps around of just a pad under it?
holeski
07 Sep 06, 04:18 pm
Genes Sucks. Jeeps are ment to be wheeled even if thats not what they are made for now-a-days. Down with DC!
AKMark
08 Sep 06, 11:03 am
I have a battery blanket that you can have if you want it.
I got two and only needed one, as I run Optima's in the others and you cannot use a blanket with them, just a pad.
Snowman
08 Sep 06, 02:33 pm
just run an optima you don't need any pads or blankets for them.
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