Emissions garbage

[ChevyKev]

Ok, many know I have been out of the loop for a few weeks, sorry. Life happens (sometimes more than 10 yards at a time!)

Long story short, we are now foster parents for 2 teenage boys and their sister my join us next week, or next month, or ... who knows.

So why is this in 4x4 tech under emissions garbage?

I have an 83 suburban that is about 1/2 put together that I would really benefit form having it run and licensed. But I don't have 1/2 the emmissions requirements nor even know what I am missing, so I could use a hand if someone has some time and or spare parts or knows where there is a blown engine I could grab all the emissions equiptment off of.

Right now it is a 350 motor with EGR intake and vaccuum stuff I have emmission legal headers, but if I use them then I need an entirely new exhaust - whereas if I use stock exhaust I have a y pipe with cat converter that would work. I have little to none of thevaccuum and other smog junk.

[4x4_MMMH_4x4]

talk to stompr, he might still have my 350 i gave him in trade, should have EVERYTHING!!! or you could jusat buy the 350 from him... has the stock manifolds and they were hooked up to that exhaust i gave you!!! the motor itself has less than 56000 miles on it... original miles too... no rebuild :o

[STOMPR]

Martin has it now .

[akdsmer]

EGR isn't required to pass the test. Neither is the EVAP system as long as neither of them are improperly connected. You could remove or not install either system and have no problems passing.

Also, you do need the EFE valve located at the bottom of the exhaust manifold, so make sure your headers have provisions for that.

If you have any more questions, call me at 459-1005 with the plate number and GVWR and I'll help you out. Why, I'll even get paid for it! 8)

[naturalbornmudder]

EGR isn't required to pass the test. Neither is the EVAP system as long as neither of them are improperly connected. You could remove or not install either system and have no problems passing.

Also, you do need the EFE valve located at the bottom of the exhaust manifold, so make sure your headers have provisions for that.

If you have any more questions, call me at 459-1005 with the plate number and GVWR and I'll help you out. Why, I'll even get paid for it!

akdsmer seems to be very knowledgeable in these things. A very useful piece of info. I 'll give you a quarter if you stay around the website and loan your knowledge from time to time. 8-) Deal? :ROL:
All joking aside, this is is a very good thing to know and good to have an IM educated person on the web to help us keep things right and moving forward emissions wise. :Sun:

[akdsmer]

I've got a quarter....I've got a quarter.......

Since that last post was only for "Kev-with-all-the-kids", I had better make this statement:

EGR and EVAP can be deleted and not be a reason to fail the I/M test as long as those systems are not feedback-controlled (have no electrical control of their system)

That does not make removing these components legal according to federal guidelines though...... 8O

[naturalbornmudder]

see, youve upped your worth again. Here's another quarter :F:

[IHJUNKMAN]

With all those trucks laying around make it a 73 instead of 83! :!:

[Advent]

Since that last post was only for "Kev-with-all-the-kids", I had better make this statement:

EGR and EVAP can be deleted and not be a reason to fail the I/M test as long as those systems are not feedback-controlled (have no electrical control of their system)

That does not make removing these components legal according to federal guidelines though...... 8O

Wait a sec...

Can you look up whether I could do that on my '76 FJ40? The EGR is why I'm failing. I wouldn't mind leaving everything else on because it all works fine.

[akdsmer]

Can you look up whether I could do that on my '76 FJ40? The EGR is why I'm failing. I wouldn't mind leaving everything else on because it all works fine.

Stupid Toyotas......Yours is electrically controlled via a thermo switch, a speed sensor and a vacuum valve and two thermo sensors. Once again you get sucker-punched due to Toyota's engineers. You need to come see me in my office...

[Advent]

What I need is a diesel.

Did you get the chance to look up the stuff I sent you back in November about the FJ62 engine? I'm still debating between that and a 6.2 diesel. Not that I have the money for either...

[akdsmer]

What I need is a diesel.

Did you get the chance to look up the stuff I sent you back in November about the FJ62 engine? I'm still debating between that and a 6.2 diesel. Not that I have the money for either...



Threadjacker! ;D


I just looked through my in box (which I save all, much to the annoyance of our computer resource department) and I don't see it. I'm assuming you sent it to my Borough email address? kshaw@co.fairbanks.ak.us oh crap, I just gave away my secret identity! :-X

[STOMPR]

I KNEW IT YOUR A IM NAZI !!!! :o

[akdsmer]

I KNEW IT YOUR A IM NAZI !!!! :o


I'm just mad because they won't give me a gun......... :(

[Forrest]

Bring your own....that's what I do ;D

[ChevyKev]

Have concluded the burban hates me.

What is the EVAP system?

What about the stupid air pump?

After getting 2 fairly complete "systems" of differing engines, I have had nothing but trouble. Things are breaking like Nate was working on them! :o Latest snafu is the manifolds won't fit the engine I have. The dip stick is on the worng side (drivers) and that is where the exhaust manifold dumps, and on the passenger side the ex-manifolds have the extra-long rear bolt location, which won't bolt to my head.

Now where did that head banging into the wall emoticon go???

So is the air pump the evap system? if not, is there manifolds that would fit the older engine that would meet emissions requirements? And if there are, does anyone have any?

[akdsmer]

The EVAP system is the charcoal canister(s) that is (are) mounted on the frame. It (they) collects fuel vapors from the gas tank and the carburetor float bowl, stores them until the engine is running off-idle where ported vacuum pulls the fumes in to be burned.

The air pump is the mechanical pump on the front of your engine that pushes air into the exhaust manifolds and catalyst depending upon year and application. It has a diverter vavle and check valves as well.

I'll give you a call and get some information together for you.

Don't forget the EFE valve that mounts to the bottom of the exhaust. It is most likely your vehicle requires it.

[4x4_MMMH_4x4]

i remember doing a v8 swap on my old blue truck, someone at the burough looked at the truck, printed us out a new slip thingy to stick under the hood of the truck, and we were able to IM again... dont know if that still works now, but i defintaly need to check into that... is there any way to get the type of emissions on the truck switched???

[Advent]

I just looked through my in box (which I save all, much to the annoyance of our computer resource department) and I don't see it. I'm assuming you sent it to my Borough email address? kshaw@co.fairbanks.ak.us oh crap, I just gave away my secret identity! :-X

I sent it to your PM box on the forums...

Now I can't remember exactly what I sent...

I'm getting old.

[ChevyKev]

My conclusion was correct. It hates me.

Switched the heads so I would have one theat has the extra bolt hole - had all the necessary gaskets so it would be a simple take off, put back on type of thing. So on reassembly of the new (used but newer) heads I got them torqued down and started adjusting valves when I turned to # 6 firing position and the negine wouldn't turn. It went to a specific opoint and then nothing. ON further inspection, a pushrod was bent. But I had an extra so I reassembled and turned to that point and - the new one was bent. Vale spring compresser showed the spring moved. Tapped the top of the valve and it moved, barely, and stayed. Dissassmbly revealed a rusted and bent valve. Had an extra so I put it together and torqued the heads down (though I probably should have removed and cleaned all of them - I didn't - which I will most likely regret later.)

So now I am at the point I was 4 (mechanicing) hours ago! However, hopefully I now have the correct heads that will work and all the emissions junk to put it together... hopefully being the key word.

[akdsmer]

I was thinking about stopping by your place yesterday and take a look at your setup, but the baby wasn't cooperating. Mousee was sick so I couldn't just swing by there either. Let me know if I can help you out.....

[Bulldog]

akdsmer,

I'm looking at all sorts of vehicles to buy to make a trail rig. One I found is a 1987 Ford Ranger Supercab. The original engine was pulled out and now a SVO 302 V-8 lies in it's place. It has a Holley Projection EFI setup, and no emissions. Can I make this vehicle emissions legal or will it strickly be seasonal tags? With seasonal tags, can I trailer it to rides then offroad it?

BTW, It's build up fairly decent for starters. 4" lift, 33" BFG's. 302 V8 backed by a C6 tranny. Stock 8.8" axles, maybe limited slip rear.

[akdsmer]

akdsmer,

Can I make this vehicle emissions legal or will it strickly be seasonal tags?+ With seasonal tags, can I trailer it to rides then offroad it?



It cannot be made emissions legal.

Seasonal tags will only allow it's use during the summer months. Nov 1 it cannot be OPERATED in the FNSB. Of course, you may be able to turn in your registration and plates to DMVat the end of the summer and then have no registration (talk to DMV about that). You would, of course have to then get a seasonal waiver and registration every year. I would look into that option. Don't run it with the seasonal tags even on a trail (inside the FNSB).

Better to get a vehicle that could be I/M'd easily.....

[Bulldog]

Thanks, I'll keep looking.

[ChevyKev]

after many more frustrating hours, the heads and exhaust and stuff all line up. I have started piecing the smog equipt back together, I NEED A CARBEURATOR! Once I have that, I thikn it will go back together fairly quickly.

[rds4x4]

Hay when i get my 74 up there will I need to worry about the emissions crap?

[STOMPR]

No worries on the 74 here in the Fairbanks/NP/Eielson area only if you where in the Anchorage area would you be subjected to testing. 8)

[rds4x4]

Thanks that was the last thing I needed to worry about.

[AKLJ8]

"emissions crap"


Bet Kelly loves it when we refer to it like that!+ ;D

[ChevyKev]

Have concluded the burban hates me.



My conclusion was correct.+ It hates me.

Not only does it hate me, it is also trying to kill me.

FInally got everything excpet fluids, distributor, and exhaust done. My plan was to get the exhaust done, fill all fluids, pre-oil the engine, install the distributor, and fire it up. However, the exhaust I had wouldn't clear the front driveshft. So I was offered the Y pipe and Cat off of a Burb that Martin has that was Forrest's that was Sotmper's... so, to get the exhaust off I got to go lay in the snow at -45 and hack saw the exhaust off of the parts burb! See, my Burb not only hates me, it is trying to freeze me to death.

BTW - I went to Sears and got a sawzall and hooked it up to a power converter thing and to a battery and it worked great in the garage. Got it out in -45 temp and .... no workie! Thankfully I had brought the backup!

However, depending on my abilitiy to put together the many different pieces of old exhaust systems this thing may be running tonight!

I have also been extremely busy with Dr appointments and such, thus I haven't been on the board much again this week. Maybe life will slow a bit in the next few weeks! ::) rolf :D :laugh: ;D ;)

[gamble71]

ah yes, the joys of being registered in TN, where IM testing has never even been heard of :laugh:

[STOMPR]

GRRRRRRR >:(this is the third time I am trying to post this now, this flaw in t he system HAS TO GO !!! Glad to hear your not a frozen grease monkey :laugh: been wondering how youve been doin with all that, I hate to ask but did you get your carb issue worked out ?

[ChevyKev]

Have concluded the burban hates me.



My conclusion was correct.+ It hates me.

Not only does it hate me, it is also trying to kill me.



And not only is it trying to freeze me to death, it is trying to kill me through frustration!

The engine in this I acquired with the description "it's a good engine, they just needed to pull the distributor or it would fire up and run." well, I checked bearings anyway - and they were good. cam was good, replaced oil pump and timing gears and chain anyway. put it together - including changing heads to fit the exhaust manifolds - got it all together and started it up to hear a little drummer boy - knock knock knock knock... the only thing I didn't check was the wrist pins.... So, needing this thing running 2 weeks ago, the stage is now set:

Before the meeting this Friday, Tim (Shamoo), Forrest (ditto) and I will load both the suburban and my plow truck onto trailers. After the meeting catch a few hours of sleep, and then at 2 AM we'll head down to Fairbanks to my buddy's shop where we will have the full shop form 2:30 AM to 3 PM. We will be removing the running engine from hte plow truck, removing the knocking engine form the Burb, then swapping on as much emmissions stuff as possible and try to get it running. We'll have to swap intake and carb's

To answer the carb question, yes, I found one with all the correct Vacum ports and rebiuilt it, but the float level may need to be adjusted, dunno. It wasn't seeming to want to work quite correctly.

Then, seeing as we have a major lack of snow - I can rebuild this engine for the plow truck while I use the 75 with Eric's plow on it for the rest of the season.

And... the Saga continues!

[STOMPR]

What are you going to do with your Crew Cab ?

[ChevyKev]

It makes a great Yard ornament! ;)

I have new heads for it, I just have to tear it down and put it back together. Spring project.

[Advent]

Kevin,

Do you want any more help at the shop? I still owe you a ton of wrench time and 2am is about as open as it gets for me!

[ChevyKev]

as of now, I have 6 peeps gonna be there. If ya wanna come hang out, too, that's great. We'll have to work in shifts but that is a good thing. I'll PM you directions.

[Advent]

Should I bring tools?

If nothing else, they'd be good for cooling sodas...Haven't been inside in 6 months...

[Advent]

Did you get it started? When I left it seemed like with an hour of solid work it could be cranked. But then, everybody was pretty out of it by that point...

Sorry I didn't call back. Woke back up at 5:30pm.

[ChevyKev]

Thanks to all who lent a hand!

Brief rundown:
We were at the shop at 10 till 3 this morning.
Had the trucks unloaded and inside the shop and working by 3:30.
By 7:30 Am we had both engines pulled, intake and bracketry swapped and the engine set in the Burb
BY 1 PM we had it running, though richly (Carb still needs help - but ti moves on it's own power!)
By 2 PM we had both trucks loaded onto trailers and headed toward Moose Creek.

I think I will have to re-set the float and or replace this carb. Ran incredibly rich!

Thanks to Tim (Shamoo) who also brought along 7 Large pizzas!

Thanks to Forrest who brought the comic relief plus actually did some work when not trying to sneak off to sleep!

Thanks to Martin (highboy) my fellow grease-monkey brother!

Thanks to Advent who not only helped, but put up with our delirium!

Thanks also to Bruno and Ricky who also helped.

Thanks to Roadrunner Expiditing for the use of the shop.

Hopefully by the end of this week we will have this running, IM'd licensed and tagged! I couldn't have done this without all the help. Thanks again.

[AK20]

Good deal, glad to hear everything went well. If you need a hand buttoning up things this week don't hesitate to call.

[LowNSlowNeon]

Awesome and you guys didn't freeze in the process.


I don't think my Zuk is emissions legal anymore. *gasp* Don't tell Kelly. :o

[STOMPR]

Cool beans 8)Glad to hear it went well, and sounds like you all worked together like a well oiled machine :laugh:

[Advent]

Thanks to Advent who not only helped, but put up with our delirium!

Coulda swore I was a large contributor to the delirium...

Glad to hear it runs though.

[ChevyKev]

Update - Monday I took it back to the shop and remopvbd the carb to find gasket problems (the gasket obviously wasn't the exact right one and was hindering some needles form seating. ONce that was fixed, I put it back to gether to no avail. It runs - but still incredibly rich. It has to be leaking from inside, as I can completely shut the fuel mixture screws adn it will still run, and run incredibly rich at that. Openeing them has absolutely no effect.

So a new carb has been ordered through I-5 auto and should be here by Friday.

Thanks again for everyone's help.